Thread:中华人民的子弟/@comment-43868511-20200305020054/@comment-38073745-20200306050042

QEDAguy wrote: 中华人民的子弟 wrote: No, many South Koreans actually Support Kim Il Sung and Juche Ideology. Many Koreans wanted to re-unite with the North and American withdrawal because of their common enemy, which is the Japanese. Many Koreans saw China and North Korea as liberators and saw USA as an occupier and Japan a threat. That's not true! Kim il sung attacked South Korea and was the main cause of the bloody war in Korea. My grandparents wont even forgive the commies about what they did to their country. Just because the Japanese are RoK's and DPRK's enemy doesn't mean that they want to unite under Juche, where did you get that logic, lol? Japan and RoK's relationships are complex which is true since they have a trade war recently but they still remain faithful to their ally, USA. And how they saw China and North Korea as "liberators". Sending an army to South Korea without any declaration or reasoning or weak reason is invading. No, i'm not trying to hypocritical

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/06/south-koreans-remain-strongly-pro-american/ To say that the DPRK and Kim Il Sung started the war, attacked the south and are the main cause of the war is an absolute false statement that sustains itself on pseudo claims and lack of knowledge of Korean history and reality. I will just paste an answer I gave to it in a previous thread:

>The south under US installed dictator Syngman Rhee initiated most of the border clashes with the DPRK in 1948. By 1949 the south Korean army had committed 2,617 armed incursions into the territories of the DPRK. It was a myth that the Soviet Union ordered the DPRK to attack the south. The US started its attack even before an UN resolution was passed supporting the formal intervention, plus the US military forces added to the mayhem in the war by introducing the use of napalm. During the war the bulk of the deaths were Koreans from both north and south, also Chinese.

Context:

>In Korea near the end of WW2 as Japan was weakened, the Korean people had formed a “People’s Committees” from all over the country plus the exiled communities in China, the US and the Soviet Union to prepare for independence and on September of 1945, these disparate forces and representatives proclaimed a Korean People’s Republic (the KPR) with a progressive agenda that included land reform, rent control, eight hour work day and minimum wage among its 27 point program."

>But the KPR was prevented from becoming a reality. Instead, after World War II and without Korean representation, the US quite arbitrarily decided to take Korea into its control “temporarily", offering to the Soviet Union and China a division as part of its plans, there we had the 38th parallel division. The US kept the capital Seoul and key ports. Essentially, the US took as much of Korea as it thought the Soviets would allow. This division planted the seeds of the Korean war, causing a five year revolution and counter revolution that escalated into the war later. In other words, the Korean war was not an event without context where the evil north invaded the south by madness.

>Initially the Koreans in the south did welcome the US, but nasty people like John Hodge and Douglas MacArthur brought Koreans who had cooperated with the Japanese during occupation into the government and shut out Koreans seeking independence. MacArthur refused to meet with representatives of the KPR and banned the party, working instead with the right wing Korean Democratic Party that was made up of landlords, land owners, business interests and of course Japanese collaborators. And this was the origin of modern south Korea, an US neo colony formed by bourgeois traitors and Japanese collaborators. As a matter of fact, many south Korean presidents were former Japanese collaborators, like Park Chung Hee who served in the Imperial Army."

>The Koreans who sought an independent state were shut out of politics and had to took other methods. Like in 1946 a mass uprising started, few people in the West knows that but a a strike against the railroads by 8,000 workers in Pusan quickly grew into a general strike of workers and students in all of the south’s major cities. The US military arrested strike leaders en masse. In the city of Taegu huge riots occurred after police smashed picket lines and fired into a crowd of student demonstrators, killing three and wounding scores. In Yongchon, 10,000 people attacked the police station and killed more than 40 police, including the county chief. Some 20 landlords and former Japanese collaborators officials were also killed. A few days later, the US military declared martial law to crush the uprising. They fired into large crowds of demonstrators in numerous cities and towns, killing and wounding an unknown number of people."

>Syngman Rhee, an exile who had lived in the US for 40 years, was returned to Korea on MacArthur’s personal plane. He had initially allied with left leaders to form a government approved of by the US. Then in 1947, he dispensed with his “left” allies by assassinating their leaders, Kim Ku and Kim Kyu Shik. Rhee consolidated power and the US pushed for United Nations sponsored elections in 1948 to put a legal imprimatur on the divided Korean penninsula. Rhee was elected at 71 years old in an election boycotted by most parties who saw it as sham. He came to power in the midst of an insurgency."

>On Jeju Island, the largest Korean island lying in a strategic location in the Korean strait, there continued to be protests against the US military government. It was one of the last areas where people’s committees continued to exist. Hodge told the US congress Jeju was “a truly communal area that is peacefully controlled by the people’s committee,” but he organized its extermination in a scorched earth attack. In September, Rhee’s new government launched a massive counterinsurgency operation under US command. It resulted in the killing of “60,000 islanders, with another 40,000 desperately fleeing in boats to Japan. Thus, one third of its residents were either murdered or fled during the extermination campaign. Nearly 40,000 homes were destroyed and 270 of 400 villages were leveled.” It was an ugly attack, Iggy Kim notes: “Torture, mutilation, gang rape and arbitrary execution were rife," a quarter of the Jeju population had been massacred. The US embassy happily reported: "The all out guerilla extermination campaign came to a virtual end in April with order restored and most rebels and sympathizers killed, captured, or converted.’” This was the single greatest massacre in modern Korean history and a warning of what was to come in the Korean war. As we will see, Jeju is part of the story in today’s US Asian escalation."

>More brutality occurred on Korea. On October of the same year, dissident soldiers in the port city of Yosu rose up in opposition to the war in Jeju. About 2,000 insurgent soldiers took control of the city. In the next day, a number of nearby towns had also been liberated and the people’s committee was reinstated as the governing body. People’s courts were established to try police officers, landlords, regime officials and other supporters of the Rhee dictatorship. This rebellion was suppressed by a bloodletting, planned and directed by the US military. The Korean war followed."

This historical context results in the DPRK taking the threats of the US very seriously. It knows the US has been willing to kill large portions of its population throughout history and has seen what the US has done to other countries. The DPRK is anything but a crazy psycho country.

On the other hand south Korea, aka Republic of Korea is not a nation, it is nothing more than the occupied and colonialized portion of Korea made of traitors, bourgeois and Japanese collaborators. If your support for the Korean people doesn't include the complete withdrawal of US occupation, you might be still infected with a colonialized mind that doesn't recognize that the Korean people are perfectly capable to govern and defend themselves.

.https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KK6FzqSFGAn5DkdO7X_i7Qrjg1_UpZRm/view?fbclid=IwAR3_m5eg_T6IPDrNM5JWPZv8YXO4hIdgkVCXMCb201pXCbC7eCKVg-UzVJU

https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2013/03/05/north-korea-and-the-united-states-will-the-real-aggressor-please-stand-down/?fbclid=IwAR16XcGTcBcze35kMNy5BlTJnUukPRQ49rHb7yiAWH2ZcLH_pZPBN71zaHw